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	<title>Comments on: Why two years?</title>
	<link>http://garyrubinstein.teachfor.us/2008/10/09/why-two-years/</link>
	<description>By a somewhat frustrated 1991 alum</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Allison</title>
		<link>http://garyrubinstein.teachfor.us/2008/10/09/why-two-years/#comment-536059</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Joe Troiano -- The mission of teach for america is to close the achievement gap by sending high quality teachers to areas where they are most needed. A "plain and simple" accusation that TFA and supporters are attempting to break teachers' unions is a ridiculous attack. I am a second year corps member who plans to remain teaching for at least 4 or 5 more years and also an active member of a teacher union.

I always find the "only two years" argument interesting. Any school can benefit from a high-quality teacher whether that teacher stays for one year, two years, or more. The gains that students make in the classroom and the material learned is not lost because a teacher leaves. 

Furthermore, high needs school districts have a difficult time retaining teachers period regardless of teach for america. In fact, my school district alone has a difficult time retaining teachers for a FULL year. In my first year of teaching, we lost 3 new first year teachers over the course of a few months (NONE of whom were affiliated with TFA). We recently (within the past week) hired a teacher who will work for the campus until June and not return next year, also not affiliated with TFA.

When examining teacher effectiveness, we measure student outcomes and student success. Retention is a complex issue, and first and foremost, why do teachers WANT to leave high needs schools? Until this issue is addressed, teacher retention will be a challenge.

Lastly, when I look at the quality of teachers on my own campus, specifically non-TFA teachers who have 5+ years of experience, I'm not impressed. Anyone can photocopy a worksheet, have students read the textbook independently during class, then sit behind a computer for the period. Is that really someone we want to retain? I'd rather have a rockstar teacher for 1 year than a mediocre teacher for 10.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Troiano &#8212; The mission of teach for america is to close the achievement gap by sending high quality teachers to areas where they are most needed. A &#8220;plain and simple&#8221; accusation that TFA and supporters are attempting to break teachers&#8217; unions is a ridiculous attack. I am a second year corps member who plans to remain teaching for at least 4 or 5 more years and also an active member of a teacher union.</p>
<p>I always find the &#8220;only two years&#8221; argument interesting. Any school can benefit from a high-quality teacher whether that teacher stays for one year, two years, or more. The gains that students make in the classroom and the material learned is not lost because a teacher leaves. </p>
<p>Furthermore, high needs school districts have a difficult time retaining teachers period regardless of teach for america. In fact, my school district alone has a difficult time retaining teachers for a FULL year. In my first year of teaching, we lost 3 new first year teachers over the course of a few months (NONE of whom were affiliated with TFA). We recently (within the past week) hired a teacher who will work for the campus until June and not return next year, also not affiliated with TFA.</p>
<p>When examining teacher effectiveness, we measure student outcomes and student success. Retention is a complex issue, and first and foremost, why do teachers WANT to leave high needs schools? Until this issue is addressed, teacher retention will be a challenge.</p>
<p>Lastly, when I look at the quality of teachers on my own campus, specifically non-TFA teachers who have 5+ years of experience, I&#8217;m not impressed. Anyone can photocopy a worksheet, have students read the textbook independently during class, then sit behind a computer for the period. Is that really someone we want to retain? I&#8217;d rather have a rockstar teacher for 1 year than a mediocre teacher for 10.
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		<title>by: Joe Troiano</title>
		<link>http://garyrubinstein.teachfor.us/2008/10/09/why-two-years/#comment-520523</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>There is a very simple reason why two years.  Any longer and you might actually become a unionist, and the last thing TFA wants is to feed talented leaders into the teachers' unions.

TFA and its supporters are trying to break the teachers' unions plain and simple.  The plan looks something like this:

1  Get the richest, whitest, most conservative new teachers to make a very temporary commitment to breaking the cycle by which new teachers become unionists.

2  Cook the books to make TFA teachers seem to be wildly effective.

3  Work with administrations that wish to attack union rights fought for and earned over the past 40 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a very simple reason why two years.  Any longer and you might actually become a unionist, and the last thing TFA wants is to feed talented leaders into the teachers&#8217; unions.</p>
<p>TFA and its supporters are trying to break the teachers&#8217; unions plain and simple.  The plan looks something like this:</p>
<p>1  Get the richest, whitest, most conservative new teachers to make a very temporary commitment to breaking the cycle by which new teachers become unionists.</p>
<p>2  Cook the books to make TFA teachers seem to be wildly effective.</p>
<p>3  Work with administrations that wish to attack union rights fought for and earned over the past 40 years.
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		<title>by: Ellen</title>
		<link>http://garyrubinstein.teachfor.us/2008/10/09/why-two-years/#comment-520465</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 04:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>That's something that I was wondering as well. I hear that most teachers leave within 5 years if they are going to do so. Maybe the churn isn't as bad as it is made out to be. What makes me wonder is how to not get burnt out as a TFA CM. I plan to make a career out of this, so I probably need to be very careful with how I move through the first few years. Burning out would help no one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s something that I was wondering as well. I hear that most teachers leave within 5 years if they are going to do so. Maybe the churn isn&#8217;t as bad as it is made out to be. What makes me wonder is how to not get burnt out as a TFA CM. I plan to make a career out of this, so I probably need to be very careful with how I move through the first few years. Burning out would help no one.
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		<title>by: Mary</title>
		<link>http://garyrubinstein.teachfor.us/2008/10/09/why-two-years/#comment-517970</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 03:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It's not clear to me that new non-TFA teachers in the same schools where TFA teachers are placed are actually retained at a higher rate than TFA teachers, so the waste may be even bigger, but not due to just to TFA.  Over six years I saw a lot of non-TFA teachers leave, but I'm not sure whether anyone has done a systematic accounting of teacher retention in the schools where TFA places (or has placed) corps members.  Maybe someone knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not clear to me that new non-TFA teachers in the same schools where TFA teachers are placed are actually retained at a higher rate than TFA teachers, so the waste may be even bigger, but not due to just to TFA.  Over six years I saw a lot of non-TFA teachers leave, but I&#8217;m not sure whether anyone has done a systematic accounting of teacher retention in the schools where TFA places (or has placed) corps members.  Maybe someone knows.
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		<title>by: phil</title>
		<link>http://garyrubinstein.teachfor.us/2008/10/09/why-two-years/#comment-517804</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The main problem with TFA is that they actually do consider 2 years to be a commitment.  The problems these school districts have cannont be solved by having a rotating series of new teachers.  Those districts that use TFA spend millions of dollars in training and get very little return on their investment since a vast majority of TFAers leave after thier two years.  TFA loves to promote that a large number of thier alumni stay in education.  How many actually stay to teach in the same type of district they began?  Leaving TFA to become a teacher in a well funded district is what a vast majority of those who did their two year commitmnet end up if they stay in the classroom.  A waste of money, time, and resources.  

Two years is not a commitment.  Two years is building a CV to get into grad school.  Systemic change in those districts served by TFA will only occur when and if TFAers make a commitment to become part of the community- long term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main problem with TFA is that they actually do consider 2 years to be a commitment.  The problems these school districts have cannont be solved by having a rotating series of new teachers.  Those districts that use TFA spend millions of dollars in training and get very little return on their investment since a vast majority of TFAers leave after thier two years.  TFA loves to promote that a large number of thier alumni stay in education.  How many actually stay to teach in the same type of district they began?  Leaving TFA to become a teacher in a well funded district is what a vast majority of those who did their two year commitmnet end up if they stay in the classroom.  A waste of money, time, and resources.  </p>
<p>Two years is not a commitment.  Two years is building a CV to get into grad school.  Systemic change in those districts served by TFA will only occur when and if TFAers make a commitment to become part of the community- long term.
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		<title>by: John Fong</title>
		<link>http://garyrubinstein.teachfor.us/2008/10/09/why-two-years/#comment-516827</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 10:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Any more updates coming to the website?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any more updates coming to the website?
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		<title>by: Pete</title>
		<link>http://garyrubinstein.teachfor.us/2008/10/09/why-two-years/#comment-516501</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://garyrubinstein.teachfor.us/2008/10/09/why-two-years/#comment-516501</guid>
					<description>Hi Gary,

I'm just finding your website now, and I wanted to thank you for your candid assessment of TFA and Institute.  I am a NYC '04 alum (I attended your workshop in the summer of '04 and read your book as well), and my first year was very similar to the one you describe in Reluctant Disciplinarian.  While I was proud of many things my students accomplished, especially during my second year, I felt so burned out by two years of teaching that I decided to leave the education world.  I have no regrets about joining TFA -- I probably never would have had the opportunity to teach otherwise -- but I do wish I had done some things differently.

My biggest complaint about TFA Institute is information overload.  Maybe I was just not organized enough or disciplined enough to turn the stacks of binders and tips into a coherent PLAN for my first week/month/semester of teaching.  But I honestly think that pre-service Institute should focus on what to do as a first-year teacher.  Some of the higher level ideas and more ambitious curriculum suggestions should be withheld until a later time and place, whether that's subject matter meetings during the year or even a "mid-commitment Institute" during the summer between the first and second years.  I definitely would have benefited from a 1-2 week refresher Institute; that would be the perfect place to discuss "riskier" lessons and more ambitious teaching practices.

As for two years vs. three years: Like Mary, I felt great about completing my commitment after the fact, but I don't think it would have stopped me from leaving if I felt compelled to do so.  I knew so many people in my corps who left after one year (or even sooner in a few cases).  On the one hand, I definitely think I would have gotten over the hump from my second year to my third year if I had stuck with teaching.  On the other hand, I already felt totally burned out -- emotionally and physically.  So much of the TFA experience is dependent on your environment (for example, I was a "lone ranger" at my school, as my advisor called me, with no TFA cohort for support).  Increasing the commitment to three years may not just affect application rates but also completion rates.

Thank you again for your candid advice.  I think a good number of incoming corps members would benefit from pushing their TFA curriculum books aside and reading through your book instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gary,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just finding your website now, and I wanted to thank you for your candid assessment of TFA and Institute.  I am a NYC &#8216;04 alum (I attended your workshop in the summer of &#8216;04 and read your book as well), and my first year was very similar to the one you describe in Reluctant Disciplinarian.  While I was proud of many things my students accomplished, especially during my second year, I felt so burned out by two years of teaching that I decided to leave the education world.  I have no regrets about joining TFA &#8212; I probably never would have had the opportunity to teach otherwise &#8212; but I do wish I had done some things differently.</p>
<p>My biggest complaint about TFA Institute is information overload.  Maybe I was just not organized enough or disciplined enough to turn the stacks of binders and tips into a coherent PLAN for my first week/month/semester of teaching.  But I honestly think that pre-service Institute should focus on what to do as a first-year teacher.  Some of the higher level ideas and more ambitious curriculum suggestions should be withheld until a later time and place, whether that&#8217;s subject matter meetings during the year or even a &#8220;mid-commitment Institute&#8221; during the summer between the first and second years.  I definitely would have benefited from a 1-2 week refresher Institute; that would be the perfect place to discuss &#8220;riskier&#8221; lessons and more ambitious teaching practices.</p>
<p>As for two years vs. three years: Like Mary, I felt great about completing my commitment after the fact, but I don&#8217;t think it would have stopped me from leaving if I felt compelled to do so.  I knew so many people in my corps who left after one year (or even sooner in a few cases).  On the one hand, I definitely think I would have gotten over the hump from my second year to my third year if I had stuck with teaching.  On the other hand, I already felt totally burned out &#8212; emotionally and physically.  So much of the TFA experience is dependent on your environment (for example, I was a &#8220;lone ranger&#8221; at my school, as my advisor called me, with no TFA cohort for support).  Increasing the commitment to three years may not just affect application rates but also completion rates.</p>
<p>Thank you again for your candid advice.  I think a good number of incoming corps members would benefit from pushing their TFA curriculum books aside and reading through your book instead.
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		<title>by: Matt</title>
		<link>http://garyrubinstein.teachfor.us/2008/10/09/why-two-years/#comment-298759</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>In the Las Vegas Corps, the school district offers to pay for your graduate education if you sign a three year contract with the district when you first arrive.  75% of CMs sign it.  Apparently three years isn't scary to most.  I didn't sign it, and am glad that I didn't, but it has been effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the Las Vegas Corps, the school district offers to pay for your graduate education if you sign a three year contract with the district when you first arrive.  75% of CMs sign it.  Apparently three years isn&#8217;t scary to most.  I didn&#8217;t sign it, and am glad that I didn&#8217;t, but it has been effective.
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		<title>by: Mary</title>
		<link>http://garyrubinstein.teachfor.us/2008/10/09/why-two-years/#comment-191981</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I can't disagree with that, but we don't know if it would help more kids or fewer.  Maybe TFA could randomly assign new corps members to two year or three year commitments, and report on the retention rates and effectiveness for those two groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t disagree with that, but we don&#8217;t know if it would help more kids or fewer.  Maybe TFA could randomly assign new corps members to two year or three year commitments, and report on the retention rates and effectiveness for those two groups.
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		<title>by: garyrubinstein</title>
		<link>http://garyrubinstein.teachfor.us/2008/10/09/why-two-years/#comment-174487</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Good points.  I'm not saying that I'm positive that 3 years would be better than 2.  Just that I think it would be a good 'conversation' (to use TFA-speak) to have.  Maybe I would have been scared away if it were 3 years, but if that meant that more children would have the opportunity to an excellent education, maybe it would be better that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points.  I&#8217;m not saying that I&#8217;m positive that 3 years would be better than 2.  Just that I think it would be a good &#8216;conversation&#8217; (to use TFA-speak) to have.  Maybe I would have been scared away if it were 3 years, but if that meant that more children would have the opportunity to an excellent education, maybe it would be better that way.
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